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Re: GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12723

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DARRELLALLEN wrote:
So glad some of you are finding out the lube I located really works for you as well as it did me.........it sounds like I am going to have to get me some of the applicator bottles that Jed posted the link on because the tip on the Teflon bottle is way to big and open for precision application.

I got my precision bottles in and tried them with the lube. They work great! I put the smallest of the needles on and went to work on a Swiss Army knife with way to many gizmos. I was able to drop the smallest amounts on exactly the joints I wanted. This has turned out to be a winning combo! :woohoo:
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GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12730

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Would still like to understand how you are using this oil? I have not used oil at all, on any stones.

These dry lubes use a wax to hold the lube, would think the wax will build up. Bike chains uses this oil/wax to hold the lube and keep it from spinning off.
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GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12733

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He is using it on the new ball joints on the upgraded WE arms. Others are using it to lube the knife/tool that they are working on.

DuPont Teflon Non-Stick Dry Film Lubricant (shown in the first post) does not use wax it uses Naphtha (petroleum)and Isopropanol so there should not be a build up. msds.dupont.com/msds/pdfs/EN/PEN_09004a3580626ddd.pdf

Dupont has Chain lubes that use wax. msds.dupont.com/msds/pdfs/EN/PEN_09004a35802b4fc7.pdf
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GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12734

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JohnnyG wrote:
Others are using it to lube the knife/tool that they are working on.

How did you come up with that statement Johnny? I must have missed that part somehow. ApexGS said he put a gun oil on his diamond paddles, not teflon!!

James,
Although it has been mentioned here recently for specific cases (was it ApexGS to keep things from "gunking" up??), I have never used any kind of lubricant other than water (for my WATER stones) on any of the large number of abrasives I have for the WEPS. I have not yet seen any compelling reason to change that.

There is a way of thought ( a hypothesis) that I have subscribed to for lots of years, that is that using oil on stones is counterproductive when sharpening by hand. It suspends the crud and acts as a secondary abrasive that does more harm than good. The original reading that I did was by a guy named John Juranitch, who is the owner of Razor Edge Systems. He did some very convincing studies indicating without question that the use of oil on any stone prevented one from achieving the same level of sharpness as when using the same stone dry.

"The basic problem with using oil for sharpening is that as you sharpen, grit from the hone and steel particles from the blade become suspended in the oil and form slurry. The very fine edge you're putting on the blade actually runs into the particles of hone suspended in the oil. It's as though you were trying to sharpen your blade by running it through a sand pile."

sharpeningmadeeasy.com/Juranitch1977Feb.htm

For the diamonds on the WEPS, I would rather just wipe them with a dry rag or tap them on a table top to knock loose metal off of them than to use any kind of oil to clean them.
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GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12735

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PhilipPasteur wrote:
JohnnyG wrote:
Others are using it to lube the knife/tool that they are working on.

How did you come up with that statement Johnny? I must have missed that part somehow.

Look at the very top post on this page and some of the one's on the other page.
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Re: GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12736

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[/quote]I got my precision bottles in and tried them with the lube. They work great! I put the smallest of the needles on and went to work on a Swiss Army knife with way to many gizmos. I was able to drop the smallest amounts on exactly the joints I wanted. This has turned out to be a winning combo! :woohoo:[/quote]

Sweeeet ! I just ordered me a couple of them yesterday, should have them by Friday or so and can't wait to try them out. Thanks again Jed for posting that link to them. :)
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GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12737

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JohnnyG wrote:
PhilipPasteur wrote:
JohnnyG wrote:
Others are using it to lube the knife/tool that they are working on.

How did you come up with that statement Johnny? I must have missed that part somehow.

Look at the very top post on this page and some of the one's on the other page.

Yep, what Johnny said............when I started this thread, there was no mention of oiling stones ? I simply stated that what I found worked very well.......at least for me, on the ball joint itself on the paddle arms, and on the actual stainless rods you slide the diamond paddles on..........others had said it worked great as well as a lube for knives themselves...........not sure how this thread got misinterpreted as using oil ?? :unsure:
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[quote="PhilipPasteur"


For the diamonds on the WEPS, I would rather just wipe them with a dry rag or tap them on a table top to knock loose metal off of them than to use any kind of oil to clean them.[/quote]

Philip, I use just compressed air to blow away the metal particles from the diamond stones, as well as wiping them dry ( I wipe first then use the air to blow dry and remove metal shavings ) as I also use Clay's suggestion of the soapy suds to " trap " the metal particles when sharpening.......that works great, thanks for that get tip Clay ! :)
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GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12742

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Johnny wrote:
Look at the very top post on this page and some of the one's on the other page.

Darrell wrote:
...others had said it worked great as well as a lube for knives themselves...........not sure how this thread got misinterpreted as using oil ?? :unsure:

I see the confusion.. for me on the knife part. People said it works on the pivots for folders. I get that, and am going to get some to try. I don't think that this is what I read from Johnny... as in using it on the blade... especially as ApexGS had already brought up oiling his diamond stones.

The written language has it's limitations... more soo when done in snippets where the assumption is that everyone just KNOWS what the writer means.
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So hopefully we can agree, no one has talked about using this Teflon dry lube for sharpening, other than lubing parts of the WEPS.

Darrell... It is pretty amazing how threads wander around here. (actually on most discussion boards).
Also amazing what we end up learning when it is free form.

When I completely clean the diamond paddles, I also blow them off with compressed air, then wash them in soapy hot water and use a stiff nail brush to get any remaining stuff off of them. In between those times I just dry wipe them. If always used dry, on a clean, dry knife blade, there is not much that will not come off with a dry rag.
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GREAT LUBRICANT FOR WES ! 1 year 2 weeks ago #12752

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LOL. I can see how that could be confusing. You are correct, by knife, I meant joints.

I watched a video the other day of a guy using soapy water on his WEPS diamond paddles. He claimed it kept the filing dust down. I'll see if I can find it again and post it in a new thread.
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