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Micro fine ceramic stone issues 8 months 2 weeks ago #13132

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I can make a 1200 grit edge look like a mirror with the right angle and lighting.. in a photograph..
not in person!

There are no real "mirror" bevels when using under 5K to at least 10K for polishing.. THEN stropping.

Anyone saying they have a "mirror" edge with anything less, is using a definition that does not match mine (nor that of industry, or aerospace metrology). If it is not as bright, and reflective as a bathroom mirror, and has more than 5% of the bevel containing visible scratches, NOT using magnification, I don't consider it a mirror bevel/edge !!

Reflective, sure! Pretty, absolutely. Photogenic... I can make it that.

A "mirror" edge..
Nope!

Check this thread:
wickededgeusa.com/index.php?option=com_k...itstart=0&Itemid=271

Back to the ceramics,

Ken said:
No, the other way:
Curtis said:
MicroFine Coarse --> 1200 ---> 1600 --> MicroFine Fine.

That having been said... there is no "NO" when sharpening..
It depends is a better answer.

I have used... when I use the ceramics, 1200, MF coarse, 1600, and MF fine... and have been real happy with the results..

I also have "really" lapped the stones with the DMT XXC, C, and XF diamonds plates...
This will make a big difference for sure. I think that Curtis reported lapping his ceramic stones... using a different set of plates.

The bottom line is, try it and see what you think. That is the ONLY way that you will know what works for *YOU*..

The MicroFine Ceramic stones have a place in a progression... I know that from using them. Where they fit in *your* progression... you need to figure out for yourself. Experimentation and the ability to precisely repeat sharpening procedures to define the differences are the strong suite of the WEPS. Take advantage of that, you will amaze yourself with what you learn..
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Also, maybe think about whether you are striving to make a blade real sharp, or real pretty, or both.. and what is the priority. I can make a knife real sharp, in 15 minutes. I can make it REAL pretty (what I consider a mirror bevel) and about as sharp, in three to four hours or so (using 20+ different grits where the stones and strops, with abrasives, cost way more than the knives...way more).

I suggest thinking about it and setting your priorities to match your needs...

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Micro fine ceramic stone issues 8 months 2 weeks ago #13134

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PhilipPasteur wrote:

Ken said:
No, the other way:
Curtis said:
MicroFine Coarse --> 1200 ---> 1600 --> MicroFine Fine.

That having been said... there is no "NO" when sharpening..
It depends is a better answer.

My "no" was not 'you can't do that' or even 'you shouldn't do that' it was 'no, that's not what I said' (or what Curtis said ;) ) So there IS a "no" in sharpening, when it's clarifying what you said ;)

THAT said, of course, you are right, Phil. Any sharpening strategy or technique that works for you is fine. Even if not one single other person on the planet would ever recommend it. If someone want to know what I do, I'll tell them. Whether they want to try that or not is strictly up to them.

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Micro fine ceramic stone issues 8 months 2 weeks ago #13135

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Ran across the thread on Lapping the MicroFine Ceramics, thought it might have some relevant info.
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Micro fine ceramic stone issues 8 months 2 weeks ago #13141

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KenBuzbee wrote:
THAT said, of course, you are right, Phil. Any sharpening strategy or technique that works for you is fine. Even if not one single other person on the planet would ever recommend it. If someone want to know what I do, I'll tell them. Whether they want to try that or not is strictly up to them.

Ken

Amen!!

Text communications are so sadly limiting AND limited!!
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Micro fine ceramic stone issues 8 months 1 week ago #13267

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PhilipPasteur wrote:
II also have "really" lapped the stones with the DMT XXC, C, and XF diamonds plates...
This will make a big difference for sure. I think that Curtis reported lapping his ceramic stones... using a different set of plates.
cbwx34 wrote:
Ran across the thread on Lapping the MicroFine Ceramics, thought it might have some relevant info.

Good points, guys. I still have to get a DMT XF plate...
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Micro fine ceramic stone issues 7 months 3 weeks ago #13604

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So, if I am understanding this, the stones, without lapping, are "out of sequence?

Why so? and why not lap them all and then get them in the "proper" order?

Confusing to me a little bit . . I guess I'm just "not that sharp!" ;)
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Re:Micro fine ceramic stone issues 2 months 3 weeks ago #15579

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DARRELLALLEN wrote:
:( sorry to hear the trouble your having David. I bought the Super Fine ceramics as a go between from the 1000 diamonds to the Micro Fine ceramics, and I use them in that progression and have not lapped mine ( other than against themselves ) but I've had no issues with them.......except that on the Micro Fines once, the stones came loose from the paddles and fell off..............which I then used medium thick CA glue to re-adhere them which worked out great.

Here are a few pics of one I recently finished ( a re-sharpen or touch up if you will ) starting at the 600 grit diamonds going through both sets of the ceramics, then finally the balsa and leather strops. It came out with a REALLY nice mirrored edge, and very sharp.


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what is CA glue please? Mine just fell off too. :-(


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Re:Micro fine ceramic stone issues 2 months 3 weeks ago #15580

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Davidghemail wrote:
what is CA glue please? Mine just fell off too. :-(

It's a generic name for a wide number of glues based on cyano acrylate

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate

You'll find it listed on the label,

Includes products like super glue and krazy glue.

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Re:Micro fine ceramic stone issues 2 months 3 weeks ago #15601

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Thanks Ken! Super glue seemed to work. I only hope I put enough on, and that its sitting flat(I just put glue on top of old glue and clamped it). We'll see!


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Re:Micro fine ceramic stone issues 2 months 3 weeks ago #15610

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Contact adhesive is my favourite to use for two reasons it is user friendly and when the stone needs replacing putting the paddle in boiling water will soften the glue enough to remove the stone remains then the remains of the glue can be removed with an aluminium scouring pad .
Epoxy or super glue really is permanent so there is no way to reuse the paddle in the future . 3M do contact adhesive in an aerosol similar to spray mount but it is for fabrics or formica etc I prefer an old fashioned tin since spraying small areas does not work so well and there is a lot of wastage.
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