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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16605

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I have been reviewing the recent topics and I am not trying to sound judgemental but lately it sounds like one would need a engineering degree or equal just to sharpen a knife? :whistle:
Are we scaring away newcomers? :ohmy: Whatever happened to clamp up your knife and work up some edges and see what you get? :whistle:
It took me one year of sharpening almost everyday but I wore out my first set of diamonds stones. I think if I were to sign on to the forum for the first time today I'm not sure I would feel smart enough to sharpen a knife?
Okay I will put on my flame resistant suit on and you can flame away but this is my .02 cents. ;)
The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?
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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16606

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Sharpening on the WEPS is simplicity itself, if you follow even the directions in the handbook that comes with the rig. Where it gets complicated is not the how, but the why. Like Zen meditation it is easy, all you have to do is breathe in and breathe out and count your breaths up to ten and begin again. Like many simple things the devil is in the details. If you don't care whether you have a mirror finish, if you don't care if the bevels are precisely equal. if you don't care about acquiring the very sharpest edge, only sharp enough,if you don't wonder if there are other ways to improve on your knife edges like using kangaroo or balsa strops with what variety of diamond spray, then it is simple...raise a burr, sweep gently with the various stones and in a trice you have a sharp edge. Probably sharper than when it came from the factory...in fact no doubt! :ohmy:
That is the genius of Clay's rig...anyone can do it, even an old klutz like me!

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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16607

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Sorry I missed the salient point! Are we scaring away people who might otherwise join our crew...I doubt it. Look at our numbers and the number of guests daily. Clay would know better by how successful his business is. From what I can see he has the best sharpening tool available. I am certain the other makers curse this rig in their head offices and would love to own the patent! LOL! ;) Trouble is, even if they did, they wouldn't have one of the most important elements...Clay himself!


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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16608

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I think there can be a tendency to make things too technical I for instance do not use the rule or the height key I think the positioning of the knife is best coming from experience and added to that I simple do not have the patience for that level of precision .
In general a working knife has a temporary bevel I am more interested in tuning it to its use than reaching perfection which I will pursue on knives that I do not use .
Trial & error seems the way to go and it is simple more fun and a quicker learning curve.
I think sharpening at its best is great fun and rewarding and that is the most important thing.
I am with you Eamon I am guilty of trying to find out what is relevant to been able to give a would be customer the best for his money where an element of science helps to understand the structure of steel having said that it has very little with the first steps in discovering the WE for that I think a good eye and a delicate hand is virtually all that is required to start with .
Like you say the chances are even on a first knife sharpened on the WE it is going to be better than most knives are out of the store .
Perhaps we should do a Health and Safety course before going anywhere near it plus the flame resistant suit and perhaps a man waving a red flag(just to keep all souls happy)!!!!
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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16610

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So maybe we should have a separate forum for "advanced" users?

I do agree with Eamon that this forum, as viewed by casual visitors can be intimidating. If a new user is looking for specific information, it's less than convenient (it's frickin' tedious!) to work your way through the multitude of threads, looking for a specific answer. People just will not spend more than a few seconds reading something that may not lead them to the info they seek.

Which is why I had suggested that there be a separate section with an encyclopedic compendium of WE user information. The Wiki section is the right start. We need someone to compile a list of subjects, then actively invite users to contribute articles. Let the WE administrators approve content.
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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16611

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Eamon, I think you have a good point. Because the WEPS is so precise it attracts different target groups.

It attracts people because it is so simple to use. It is simple to reprofile an edge and once you have created the initial bevel resharpening is a breeze.

And it attracts lunatics and perfectionists ;) who want to get the sharpest and most polished edges. Most of the frequent forum posters fall into this category, I think.

I myself went from the first target group to the second.

Maybe we could cater better for the first target group by introducing a subforum "Starting with the WEPS" (or find a better title), which should be the first one in the index list?
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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16612

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This so true Mark.When I started the WEPS was a fairly new tool on the market. I bought it and proceeded to stumble through through the sharpening process and made the usual mistakes, the biggest was of course not raising a proper burr. Once into this rig I became, as you said, a lunatic about my edges...a molecule polisher. After some time I calmed down with the whole process and realized how simple it was and relaxing to do. Some would say I am still a lunatic! :blink: :side: :huh: Maybe!
I think the idea of having a separate index for the fundamentals of sharpening with the WEPS is an excellent idea. It will be interesting to see the various steps people come up with. Certainly the correct mounting procedures and raising the burr will be very important first steps.
Good thinking by all in this thread.

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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16617

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I know I was neurotic about wanting to use the WEPS properly and not make any mistakes right from the start. Watched a lot of videos on youtube, read lots in the forum. I think you need to have some knives to learn on to even understand what problems and questions you have about using the WEPS.

That said, I also think a bit of a revamp of where info is located would be helpful, like the demonstration videos being under resources tab in addition to the home page.
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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16618

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Great topic guys, so much good insight. So maybe a new section for "Getting Started"? We could try to add in a post there occasionally to keep it high up on the list of new topics and just offer quick tips and encouragement, keep it short and sweet.
--Clay Allison
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Am I smart eough to sharpen a knife? 6 months 2 weeks ago #16620

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wickededge wrote:
Great topic guys, so much good insight. So maybe a new section for "Getting Started"? We could try to add in a post there occasionally to keep it high up on the list of new topics and just offer quick tips and encouragement, keep it short and sweet.

Good idea! That'll give me some incentive to move topics again :ohmy: :lol:
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