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Re: Question about sandpaper g ...
I have used this method and learned it from the same you tuber "m0difiedz" with the same results he achieved. Here was the progression: diamonds through 1K, course and fine ceramics, then taped 2000 grit paper to the fine ceramics, then 2500 grit. Just as you noticed from the video, the pollish is almost instantly recognizable, but there are still trace scratches. Finished with 1 um and .5 um strops. I achieved the sharpest and most pollished results with this combo yet (my first hair whittling edge).
I kind of figure this is an inexpensive way of substituting for a set of Choseras to bridge the gap from the ceramics to the strops. Although the Choseras sound like they might eliminate the scratches a bit better if you progress with them. Just an extra expense for the waterstones.
I bought the 2000 grit at the local woodworking store and the 2500 grit I ordered online.
Hope that helps,
Sauce
Question about sandp ...
Category:
Advanced Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 2 months ago
by
Sauce
Re: Chosera Vs Ceramic Stones?
Does anyone know the "grit rating" on the micro fine ceramics?
Mark, looking at a set of choseras. Currently have the micro fine ceramics, and was thinking I would progress from them to a set of 2k/3k choseras. Now you throw the 5k/10k and say that works well. Looking at one set for now and want the most bang for my buck progression wise.
Sauce
Chosera Vs Ceramic S ...
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: New purchase
Thanks Curtis, seen that one a couple times. I keep up with the videos from smokeeater908, jdavis, m0difiedz and a couple others. Learned alot just from watching!
Still lovin the spydie flipper so far.
Sauce
New purchase
Category:
Knife Photos
Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Chosera Vs Ceramic Stones?
PhilipPasteur wrote:
Curtis,
So anyway, in light of the above and my experience, if somebody is buying the stones as WEPS has them mounted, the 800/1000 would be the first purchase that I would make if I was starting over. A 1K/2K would be a great option if someone will build them for you.
Phil
Phil, I've been following this thread and have a fewquestion for you: Where do the Micro fine ceramics come into play or rank with Chosera progression? Ineresting thread you posted, the only ceramics listed were the 1200/1600.
My current progression is 800/1000 diamonds, Micro fine ceramics, 2000 and 2500 grit paper taped onto ceramics, then strops. Produces good pollish, but still see very fine scratches without a loupe.
If I wanted to eliminate the sand paper, where would the choseras most effectively fit in here?
Before or after ceramics?
Have people purchased a custom mix of Chosera grits already?
Thanks for any info,
Sauce
Chosera Vs Ceramic S ...
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: New purchase
cbwx34 wrote:
Nice.... but what is it?
Sorry, good question:P . Spyderco Southard Flipper. Spydies first flipper knife. Cts-204P steel. Titanium frame lock. Need just a little more practice before I mount her up in the WE!
Thanks again for the pic info Curtis. Did it right from my phone.
New purchase
Category:
Knife Photos
Posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago
by
Sauce
New purchase
Love this knife! Most expensive purchase to date. That title previously held by BM Osbourne 940. F&F is great, smooth deployment, solid lock up, and most importantly, it feels awesome in my hand.
Sauce
New purchase
Category:
Knife Photos
Posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Wicked Edge Hard Carrying ...
wickededge wrote:
Sauce wrote:
I think the case is a great idea. My vote would be for no wheels or telescoping handle. Just a standard carry case handle would be great. What would the price range be for either option?
Thanks,
Sauce
Thanks for the feedback Sauce. I'm not sure yet what we can get done on pricing - they're not cheap but the quality is awesome. Do you have a sense of what you feel like a reasonable price is? The company we're working with is trying to make it happen for us and they're much more reasonable than Pelican, but the cases are still expensive.
Price range aroung $100 maybe, probably wouldn't go much higher. Large enough to hold the base with vise installed and all the extras we use with it(loupe, cube, marker, roll of tape,extra stones etc..) would be nice.
Sauce
Wicked Edge Hard Car ...
Category:
Product Announcements
Posted 3 months ago
by
Sauce
Re: Wicked Edge Hard Carrying ...
I think the case is a great idea. My vote would be for no wheels or telescoping handle. Just a standard carry case handle would be great. What would the price range be for either option?
Thanks,
Sauce
Wicked Edge Hard Car ...
Category:
Product Announcements
Posted 3 months ago
by
Sauce
Re: It's almost Christmas time ...
SleeplessJunkie wrote:
I'm in the same boat as you. My WEPS PP1 is still on backorder and it has yet to leave my mind. I watch videos and browse the forums daily. In fact, I've been nothing but a lurker since this post. I have a SOG Twitch 2, Twitch XL, and a Fallkniven PXL on the way. So excited to put a beautiful edge on those knives. Call it what you will, but I am totally obsessed with this thing and I don't even have it yet.
Welcome to the forum. There is somewhat of a short learning curve with WE. I am still tweaking my technique after only about 15 sharpenings. I heeded the advice of quite a few on here who recommended to learn on your not so nice or inexpensive knives, then transition into better ones. Just food for thought. Enjoy your sharpener, it's an awesome tool and passtime!
Sauce
It's almost Christma ...
Category:
Off Topic
Posted 3 months, 1 week ago
by
Sauce
Re: Best knife lube for pivot ...
I tried using no lube when I first reassembled my Delica 4. Even after adjusting the tension on the pivot screw, it was apparent lubrication was needed. Action was much smoother. Cleaned and lubed a Kershaw next, action seems it can only be improved with a little lube for me so far!
Sauce
Best knife lube for ...
Category:
Off Topic
Posted 3 months, 1 week ago
by
Sauce
Re: Why not 1 stone
Unless you are sharpening many many knives with uneven bevels, two stones should wear quite evenly. The angle cube is invaluable in my opinion. No matter whether you are using 1 or 2 stones, the angle can be verified. I use in between each progression of stones, and find I make minor adjustments about 25-50% of the time. No question your stone is hitting at the proper angle each stroke. Overboard maybe, just my .02 on that. Also, it's nice to go from one side of the blade to the other without having to reposition the stone each time. Speeds sharpenings up a bit. I spend enough time on them already, although I do enjoy it.
Sauce
Why not 1 stone
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Best knife lube for pivot ...
Geo, I like the Breakfree CLP idea. I use Ballistol(lube/cleaner similar to CLP) on firearms, works well. Last night I used Hoppes gun oil on 2 folders I took apart and cleaned. Seems ok so far, we'll see in a few weeks how it holds up to pocket lint and so forth. That was the first time I disassembled, cleaned, reassembled any folders. Guess I should have done more research before hand, as I didn't pay attention to washer orientation relative to which side faces the blade to keep them that way. They went back together and operate fine. Watched some videos after where there seems to be agreement that you need to pay attention to the washer orientation. Any thoughts on that? Other than that, the maintenance seems pretty simple.
Sauce
Best knife lube for ...
Category:
Off Topic
Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Best knife lube for pivot and ...
Any suggestions for lubrication for pivot points and washers on folders? Most of my folders have phosphorus bronze washers. Dry lube vs others?
Thanks for any info
Sauce
Best knife lube for ...
Category:
Off Topic
Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Polished edge
Followed up the ceramics with 2000 grit paper taped on to the ceramics. This really helped with the polish. 2500 grit was not available at the local woodworking store, will order it online, but I think that will help even more. Notice my stones are smoothing out quite a bit now too....................
Sauce
Polished edge
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Polished edge
No worries Nick...........glad we can come to this forum and talk and learn about knives and sharpening, fun stuff.
Phil, kids are 5 and 4, 15 months apart. Not quite Irish twins, but close. Keep you busy boy
The knife I started this post out with is a Spyderco Delica 4 ffg with vg10 steel. I notice it's quite a bit harder than the JA Henkel kitchen knives and cheap folders I previously sharpened. Gonna load it back in the WE and complete more strokes with each grit, see if that helps with the polish. I saw a video by "M0difiedz" on youtube where he sharpened a Kershaw Skyline. Progressed up through ceramics, then used 2500 grit paper and that seemed to really eliminate some of the haze left after the ceramics. Gonna buy some 2000 and 2500 grit today and see what it produces, then strop.
Sauce
Polished edge
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Polished edge
Nick,
Nobody is bent here. Hopefully you're not. I appreciate the info you've posted. Don't get your feathers ruffled, seems they might be. Just pointing out inconsistencies that are evident.
Phil, I wish I had the time for the OCD progression you have for that polished edge, must be nice. Good post, thank you. I have 2 little ones that make sure I don't have that time.
Sauce
Polished edge
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Polished edge
Just pointing out some inconsistencies, no harm no foul. Nick starts this thread out saying not to raise a burr at 100 grit, states it's a rookie mistake. Says quite the opposite in the other thread, more than once. I'm understanding the theory you can burr it up later in the progression, will try it next time.
Thanks to all again for the input!
Sauce
Polished edge
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Cleaning the diamond stone ...
Welcome to the forum.....
I can answer 2 of your questions:
1: Warm soapy water and a nylon brush(or tooth brush) has worked great for me so far, then just air dry. Simple and effective. If you ever acquire or need to clean the ceramics, I used Bar Keepers friend, worked like a charm. Got the white/fine side looking like new.
2: I've seen the stones quoted at lasting upwards of 500+ sharpenings.
Sauce
Cleaning the diamond ...
Category:
Sharpener and Accessory Maintenance
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Polished edge
NicholasAngeja1 wrote:
Sauce wrote:
I'm using the sharpie and definitely raising a burr along the entire edge with the 100 grit stones. I think you hit the nail on the head stating that I'm probably not erasing scratches from previous grits. Not used a loupe yet, will invest in one.
Sauce
Try not to raise a burr at 100 grit, rather raise a burr, preferably at 1000 grit or 800 grit. The less time you spend on the lower grits, the less damage you'll do. Don't get me wrong if there are scratches any of the techniques shared will work.
Most common rookie mistakes are thinking they need to use their coarsest stones, and that they need to raise a burr on course grits.
Happy sharpening,
Nick
Nick, I just read a thread where you stated the following in ALL CAPITALS:
" IF I WAS TEACHING SOMEONE TO SHARPEN, I STILL STAND BY THE FACT THEY SHOULD DEVELOP A BURR AT EVERY GRIT TILL THEY LEARN THE SKILL, EXPERIENCE, OR "ZEN;" LOSS OF METAL IS A SMALL COST TO LEARN HOW TO SHARPEN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON WHEN SHARPENING"
Kind of contradicting what you stated in this particular thread. So which is it?
Thanks,
Sauce
Polished edge
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
Re: Polished edge
mark76 wrote:
With the progression you describe I usually get a pretty mirror edge.
It’s hard to judge from a distance what is going for you on exactly. It could indeed be that your stones are not fully worn in yet. However, if you’ve done eight knives already they should at least be somewhat worn in (depending on the steel and the amount of strokes you do).
My best guess is that at some point with one or more stones you have not completely erased the scratches form the previous grit stones. As Tom said, a loupe is a good tool to judge that. (And they’re pretty cheap. Chefknivestogo sells a good 45x loupe for about $14.)
The first thing I’d do is to make absolutely sure that you have raised a burr on both sides of the blade with your initial stones. If you haven’t done that, that’s probably the reason. The sharpie trick helps well in this, too.
Then it’s a matter of wiping out scratches. Again, if you’re not sure, you could use the sharpie trick here, too. If your stones are not fully worn in yet, it just takes a little longer, but you can get there. If you first use moderate pressure and then light pressure (as Geo recommended) you should get there. Maybe it just takes a little more strokes. Also, I usually do more srtokes with the higher grit stones to make sure I wept out the scratches from the previous stone.
It’s probably overkill, but if nothing works, you could try to raise a burr and apply the Sharpie trick with the higher grit stones as well.
A final tip I could give you is to use quite a bit of pressure with the strops. Not everyone on the forum does it that way, but it works well for me.
Success! Eventually you get there. And though there is a bit of a learning curve, I’ve found it’s not too steep.
Let us know how you fare. And if you can provide us more information, we might be able to give more focussed advise.
I'm using the sharpie and definitely raising a burr along the entire edge with the 100 grit stones. I think you hit the nail on the head stating that I'm probably not erasing scratches from previous grits. Not used a loupe yet, will invest in one.
The fact that you said you can obtain a pretty mirrored edge with those particular stones/strops is what I wanted to hear, now I can just work on my technique. Wanted to take that out of the equation.
You guys provide good info directly and indirectly(studying other posts)!
Thanks again,
Sauce
Polished edge
Category:
Basic Techniques and Sharpening Strategies
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
by
Sauce
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