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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 6 months ago #2438

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After the 10 micron strops, I re-did the edge at 1000 grit diamond. Then jumped straight from the 1000 grit diamond to the 3.5 micron diamond and leather strops:

3.5micronafter1000grit-100passes.jpg

510x - 3.5 micron diamond and leather strops after 1000 grit diamond stones

100 passes with the strops after the stones.
--Clay Allison
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 6 months ago #2439

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I again re-did the edge with the 1000 grit stones before skipping straight to the 1 micron diamonds and leather strops:

1micronafter1000grit-100passes.jpg

510x - 1 micron diamond and leather strops after 1000 grit diamond stones
100 passes with the strops after the stones.

I went on and did another 200 passes with the strops:

1micronafter1000grit-300passes.jpg

510x - 1 micron diamond and leather strops after 1000 grit diamond stones
300 passes with strops after the stones.
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 6 months ago #2440

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Next I wanted to see how the bevel turned out going incrementally but using the same number of passes as the direct 1000 grit to 1 micron test before, so I re-did the edge once more with the 1000 grit diamond stones and then did 100 strokes each with 10 micron, 3.5 micron and 1 micron diamond and leather strops for a total of 300 passes:

10-3.5-1micronafter1000grit-300passes.jpg

510x - 1000 grit diamond> 10 micron> 3.5 micron> 1 micron - 100 passes each

To compare, here again is the 1000 grit to 1 micron:
1micronafter1000grit-300passes.jpg

510x - 1000 grit diamond> 1 micron - 300 passes
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 6 months ago #2441

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I also took a couple of pictures by request:

1micronwithmeasurementsA.jpg

510x - 1 micron with scale

5micronwithmeasurements.jpg

510x - .5 micron with scale

This was a challenging set to take and I'll have to try again to get more contrast and visibility with the scratches.
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 6 months ago #2448

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Great pictures again, Clay. And a lot. You must have had a fun night :lol:.

How many strokes did you do with the polishing tapes? If you did a large number, the results surprise me as well. (Well, I almost get used to stuff not working as expected according to grit size.) You might get clearer results if you made scratches (almost) perpendicular to the scratches of the 1000 grit stones. Or did you do this already? (In which case I am not surprised, but flabbergasted :woohoo:.)
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After getting the edge to 3.5 microns, I then went back to the polishing tapes:
3000gritafter3.5microns.jpg

510x - 3000 grit polishing tapes after 3.5 micron strops
7000grittapeafter3000grittape.jpg

510x - 7000 grit polishing tapes after 3000 grit tapes after 3.5 micron strops
I need to do a lot more work playing with the polishing tapes!

Yes, you cannot write them off that quickly. But this doesn’t look encouraging. The scratch pattern is… well, it’d hardly call it a pattern :(. I think you need a set of somewhat even and repetitive scratches for the tapes to be abrasive in an effective manner.
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Now on to 1 micron diamond and leather after the 3.5 micron diamond and leather:
1micronafter3.5micron-1stpass.jpg

510x - 1 micron diamond and leather strops after 3.5 micron diamond and leather
Looking good!

That is definitely looking good! Which 1 micron compound did you use?

I find these two pictures very interesting:
Then jumped straight from the 1000 grit diamond to the 3.5 micron diamond and leather strops:

3.5micronafter1000grit-100passes.jpg

510x - 3.5 micron diamond and leather strops after 1000 grit diamond stones

100 passes with the strops after the stones.

I again re-did the edge with the 1000 grit stones before skipping straight to the 1 micron diamonds and leather strops:

1micronafter1000grit-100passes.jpg

510x - 1 micron diamond and leather strops after 1000 grit diamond stones
100 passes with the strops after the stones.

It seems the 3.5 micron compound causes a little more burnishing than the 1 micron compound. Not a lot, since 200 stropping strokes with the 1 micron diamond compound seem to create a better result than 100 strokes with the 3.5 micron compound. But still, the stiction is different.
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I also took a couple of pictures by request:

1micronwithmeasurementsA.jpg

510x - 1 micron with scale

5micronwithmeasurements.jpg

510x - .5 micron with scale

This was a challenging set to take and I'll have to try again to get more contrast and visibility with the scratches.

Thanks a lot :-). I am working on the scratch sizes as you might have seen. When I make pictures like these myself, one where the edge is almost white and another one in which the edge is quite dark, I find it very difficult to compare them. The scratches also seem different. How do you deal with this (other than by making the photographs again)?
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 6 months ago #2450

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I'm definitely going to redo the lapping film tests, starting from a polished edge and count strokes and possibly alternating stroke directions, maybe from polished down through 7k to 3k and then back up. I rotated the scope to get the dark and light images in an effort to see the scratches better but wasn't very satisfied with darker image, have to keep experimenting with it. As far as the 'stiction' of the different strops goes, I think it might be a function of how much paste is on the surface and how much moisture it has.
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