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Noob Stone Question. 2 years 4 weeks ago #3658

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1st post in here... hmmmm? Hope I'm in the right place, lol.

Just joined, new to sharpening/WEPS. Just curious about stone selection for my first kit.

I am in an industry that puts me in contact with many types of people/knives from kitchen, EDC's even gardening shears. Would like to start a sharpening business and capitalize (although I realize I have A LOT to learn/practice first). I have thrown out the idea and actually have clientele even though I don't even own a sharpening system yet or know what I'm doing, LOL!

I'm the type to do things right the first time and don't mind spending a little if it's right, so considering I would like to possibly do this semi-professionally, would the standard diamonds/paste w/maybe the addition of the 1200/1600 ceramics be acceptable or what would a "professional" kit consist of to focus mainly on Kitchen (not super high end)and EDC's/Folders (moderate to exotic metals)? Would an entire set of Ceramics be necessary or only on the finer grits (1200+) and how fine to go, like would finer than say 5K be overkill? I realize the more the better/more versatile so I guess I'm asking what the basic spectrum would be to do some to do some decent sharpening.

I've been reading all I can but need a little direction, would like to order and start my journey.

Thanks for any info.
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Re: Noob Stone Question. 2 years 4 weeks ago #3666

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Hey JDS, welcome to the forums! If you’re the type of person that likes to get it right the first time, the WEPS is THE choice, IMHO. At least, if you put quality first. If you put quantity first, you might consider getting a belt grinder.

Although I have sharpened a lot of knives, I am not a professional sharpener. But I do sharpen knives for people who use them professionally. It depends on your own professional standards how far you want to go. I have yet to meet a professional sharpener that sharpens their knives at a higher grit than 1000.

That said, there is one chef I sometimes sharpen for (my girlfriend) who loves her Sudoku knife after the 10K Choseras. But realistically, I think this is heavy overkill for normal kitchen work and doesn’t help in creating a sustainable edge.

So I’d say the diamond stones or the normal ceramics (1200/1600) are more than enough for practical use. If you like the WEPS, you’ll get other stones afterwards anyway :D . (What do you mean by an “entire set of ceramics”, by the way?)
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Re: Noob Stone Question. 2 years 4 weeks ago #3677

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JDS,
I have lots of sharpening systems here, including the WEPS and Edge pro, and a belt grinder. When I want to put a superb edge on a knife that is not only extremely sharp, but looks like a miror, the system that I use is the WEPS.

I agree with Mark. If you sharpen professionally and want to make it worth your time, use a belt grinder. I got a Kalamazoo 42 X1 inch belt grinder several months ago. I have sharpened everything with a blad on it for about a mile around my house. Lots of neighbors have very sharp knives now that wouldn't cut butter before. 10 minutes per knif is a long time on that machine, and that is to reprofile and go through 8 grits. Most of that time is changing belts. Once an edge is profiled, a quick hit with a 400 grit Trizact belt, whit compound on leather and jewelers rouge on leather... under 5 minutes, makes a knife with a wondeful edge for the kitchen, that lasts a long time.

So there are two different purposes for the different systems. If you want something that you will marvel at and is as sharp as a piece of steel can get, uses the WEPS. You will end up buying more stones down the road. A good start would be the basic kit plus the 800/1000 diamonds, the cermics, 5/3.5 strops, then a set of strops to put some 1.0/0.05 diamond or CBN compound on.

If you have enough business and want to knock out a bunch of knives, get a belt grinder with a good assortment of belts, including some leather for compounds.

If you want to do both, definitely get a WEPS ...first!

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Re: Noob Stone Question. 2 years 4 weeks ago #3685

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Thanks for the advice on the belt. I'm thinking just a side business for friends and word of mouth so not a heavy load. Really just to make my $$ back on the WEPS and maybe some gas $$, really just because I know I will be obsessed and wont want to stop, lol. Not sure I would need a belt, assuming that's just for speed/volume, but I will research more. Seems like you can get a pro-edge fairly easy w/the WEPS and a fairly basic stone assortment.

Thank you "mark76", kinda' put it in perspective for me as a baseline. I will no doubt accumulate every possible stone in the end as I am THAT OCD. Again, I just needed a baseline to order and get started/practicing. What I meant was replacing even the lower grit Diamonds w/aftermarket Ceramics to create an entire set of just ceramics and not even using diamonds.

I will no doubt also use a microscope as I am verrrrry detailed/obsessed w/perfection, I really couldn't see me being able to sleep at night not seeing my edges on that level, lol.
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Re: Noob Stone Question. 2 years 4 weeks ago #3689

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JDS,

I did all of the knives... close to 220 at last count, for free... to practice, and just because I was so darn suprised at how quick and easy sharpening could be on the belt.

Now I hear you on the ceramics. I have not seen any low grit ceramics for the WEPS. I still use the 100/200 stones for reprofiling an edge. I often go through the entire diamond progression, 100/200, 400/600, and 800/1000 then start with the 400 or 600 chosera waterstones and go up through the 10K. There are several, including Tom who posts here occasionally that slightly prefer the Shapton waterstones up to 30K. (but they are real expensive... you will do a whole bunch of casualy sharpening before seeing any gas money :)) Either way you can go to about 400 on the low end. Nothing I have found beats the lower grit diamonds for reprofiling.
Here are som links for you:

Chosera stones:
jendeindustries.wordpress.com/2012/04/

jendeindustries.wordpress.com/2012/02/

This also has the WEPS diamond progression.

Shapton Stones
jendeindustries.wordpress.com/2012/03/

As Mark likes to say... you are headed down the rabit hole my friend... it can be a bottomless money pit, but full of wonder and endless hours of diversion and fun... and pride of accomplishment !!
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Re: Noob Stone Question. 2 years 4 weeks ago #3690

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+1 to Phil.

I've got the Choseras myself and am starting with the Shaptons. But I'd recommend everyone to start out with "just" the diamond stones. If you've really got OCD, nothing wrong with the 1200/1600 ceramics, since you'll get them anyway :mrgreen: . And then, and then, and then... But I wouldn't start with the Shaptons or Choseras.
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