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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #12919

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I got my kit a couple of weeks ago, the steel insert is not there???
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #12967

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JohnnyG wrote:
I got my kit a couple of weeks ago, the steel insert is not there???

I don't mean to be contrary...but sometimes I get confused...
Clay said ONE day ago:
"They're coming installed on all the new vise jaws that are (hopefully) arriving very soon."

So how would the inserts be included on a vise that was delivered a couple of weeks ago???
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #12978

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PhilipPasteur wrote:

I don't mean to be contrary...but sometimes I get confused...

"They're coming installed on all the new vise jaws that are (hopefully) arriving very soon."

So how would the inserts be included on a vise that was delivered a couple of weeks ago???

I guess we are both a bit confused. LOL

They're is actually they are, so They're coming installed on all the new vise jaws.... means they are now. Properly said (and less confusing) is "They will be coming on....." They will be means in the future.

English lesson over..... :cheer:
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #12983

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JohnnyG - good point :)

On another note, I like your Zee Maps link. Are the users shown the ones that are currently logged on?
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #12991

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JohnnyG wrote:
PhilipPasteur wrote:

I don't mean to be contrary...but sometimes I get confused...

"They're coming installed on all the new vise jaws that are (hopefully) arriving very soon."

So how would the inserts be included on a vise that was delivered a couple of weeks ago???

I guess we are both a bit confused. LOL

They're is actually they are, so They're coming installed on all the new vise jaws.... means they are now. Properly said (and less confusing) is "They will be coming on....." They will be means in the future.

English lesson over..... :cheer:

English lesson begins..
:P
Read the entire sentence...

They are coming on the new vise jaws that will be delivered soon..
Not on the vise jaws that have been delivered... right?

In this day of instant gratification... it is common to not read an entire sentence...
Or to reply with one!

I guess I read it differently...
BUT, it is not important. Now that Clay has been duly corrected, for saying what he meant, we all know what is happening..
:evil:
:woohoo:

BTW.. now I am being contrary...
Though the idea is a very good one, and I applaud Clay for incorporating it into new production sets, It has yet to become a problem for me. Even though I have "at least" 200 knives through the current set of jaws, and scaring is not a problem, I really like the idea!. When I replace these jaws in a few (or maybe several) hundred more knives, I will ask for a set of the new ones with the insert!!

My take is, if you are screwing up the surface of the moveable jaw with the tension screw, you might think of using less tension when tightening that thing down.
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #12995

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I just wanted to throw something out here.
Back in the day I used a bunch of fasteners in my business. I made friends with one of the sales pukes for on of the big vendors. One day, over beers, he told me a story.

He would go to to sell his fasteners and one of the tests he pushed was torqueing a fastener to failure.
He told me how he would stroke his nose to get oil off of his face and put it on the competitors fastener before testing. The lubricant would reduce the torque required before the bolt failed. He could run his "clean" bolts and the torque would be higher before failure...

OK, the point is that, easier to turn, does not equate to lower pressures, between the thread, nor at the end of the screw bearing on a surface.

Back to where we came from here. Oiling the threads, or the contact patch with the movable jaw, will likely make it seem as if it is easier to turn the crew... Or yes it will be, lessening the torque required. If anything, making the screw easier to turn, will increase the likelihood of marring the moveable jaw..

With, or without, an insert!

Concept: Feels "better" might not always be "better" !
Easier is not always better either
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A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #13000

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So, may be dumb as a tree-stump, but I just thought I'd put it on my drill press and drill a hole. Then how tough is it to drop some Stainless in the hold to act as a pad for the screw?

I for one, do not think it is on Clay to cover us all every time he improves the tool.

If you took your 1983 Chevy into the dealer would you expect a 2014 because there were improvements?


My attitude:
Clay- Thanks for sharing the upgrade. If I can do it I will. If I cant- it worked as it was. If it wears out I'll buy a replacement.

To all who offered soap/wax etc ideas THANKS - you embody the spirit of this board!!!!!!!
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #13002

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PhilipPasteur wrote:
Concept: Feels "better" might not always be "better" !
Easier is not always better either
:evil:

Don't knock it until you try it. ;)

Oh yeah....

:evil:
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #13004

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Gotchya...
Knowing the engineering..
Not sure I care... or knowing the consequences..
Want to add to the complexity of my sharpening regime.

BUT (also)

I need the exercise of twisting that horribly tough to turn screw

:evil:
BUT
Gotchya!!!
Can't knock it until you try it..
I guess I will never really know..

:woohoo:
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Re: A drop of oil on the bottom clamp screw... 1 year 2 months ago #13011

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PhilipPasteur wrote:
Gotchya...
Knowing the engineering..
Not sure I care... or knowing the consequences..
Want to add to the complexity of my sharpening regime.

BUT (also)

I need the exercise of twisting that horribly tough to turn screw

:evil:
BUT
Gotchya!!!
Can't knock it until you try it..
I guess I will never really know..

:woohoo:

Was this a D PWI post? :lol:

Just to clarify, this wasn't just to make tightening the screw "easier", like I said in my original post, mine was resistant... to the point where I could apply a lot of force to the screw, and the knife would still slip. Adding the drop of oil solved this. There have been no bad "consequences"... just a return to being able to quickly and effectively secure the knife.

Perhaps the reason why needed clarification.
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