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Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #782

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Does anyone know the exact implications of the thicker Chosera stones in terms of bevel angles?

In other words if you set the angle guide to say 20 degrees, does the thicker Chosera stone produce a 19 degree bevel or an 18 degree bevel or a 17 degree bevel, or what?

Thanks!
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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #787

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garyfergus wrote:
Does anyone know the exact implications of the thicker Chosera stones in terms of bevel angles?

In other words if you set the angle guide to say 20 degrees, does the thicker Chosera stone produce a 19 degree bevel or an 18 degree bevel or a 17 degree bevel, or what?

Thanks!

I believe Clay uses a 3 degree offset, so 17 degrees sounds right for the above example...but I may have to stand corrected.

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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #789

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leomitch wrote:
garyfergus wrote:
Does anyone know the exact implications of the thicker Chosera stones in terms of bevel angles?

In other words if you set the angle guide to say 20 degrees, does the thicker Chosera stone produce a 19 degree bevel or an 18 degree bevel or a 17 degree bevel, or what?

Thanks!

I believe Clay uses a 3 degree offset, so 17 degrees sounds right for the above example...but I may have to stand corrected.

Cheers
Leo

Thanks Leo, much appreciated!
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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #802

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There will be a diminishing difference over time as the Choseras wear. Initially, there is a ~2.5 degree average difference - so if the Diamonds read 20 degrees, the Choseras will read about 17.5.

If you read this, Question 3 shows a chart of how my WEPS stock diamonds lined up with the Choseras in the same position.
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Thanks, that's very clear.
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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #869

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The best way to do it is to buy an "angle cube" from Amazon or one of the other online dealers. This way you can get an exact angle of attack for each stone and adjust as necessary.

I have the iguaging cube from Amazon:
www.amazon.com/iGaging-Digital-Magnetic-...id=1320953566&sr=8-1

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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #873

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just ordered my angle cube. I am sold!
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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #874

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The angle cube method is good. If you are more analytically inclined its a simple trig problem to work out the angle difference.Here is a table of results that applies when the stones are vertical, in line with the clamp.
Similar results can be calculated over the entire swing of the arms by considering how the blade edge intersects spheres
but I haven't done that so far.




15.9415 15 r =0.6 h =0.25

21.2627 20 r =0.6 h =0.25

23.29 22 r =0.6 h =0.25

26.2572 25 r =0.6 h =0.25

31.3605 30 r =0.6 h =0.25


Here is an example of how to read this table.
r=.6 means half the thickness in unches of the hone. this is about .6" fordiamond stones and .8 " for shaptons.
h is the height of the sharp edge of the blade above the end of the clamp(not above the setting gauge). The six digit numbers are the calculated angle and the 2 digit numbers are the angle you set the rods to. so for example the calculated angle is 15.9415 degrees when the set angle is 15 degrees. (dont take the six digits seriously the accuracy of my measurements of the numbers is such that 3 digits at most are good.


the next table shows that the wicked edge sharpener is in fact calibrated for h=0.5 inch blade extension beyond the clamp since the calculated and set angles are quite close.

15.0572 15 r =0.6 h =0.5

20.141 20 r =0.6 h =0.5

22.0883 22 r =0.6 h =0.5

24.9499 25 r =0.6 h =0.5

29.9055 30 r =0.6 h =0.5


more blade extension tables :

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14.2625 15 r= 0.6 h =0.75

19.1252 20 r= 0.6 h =0.75

20.9966 22 r= 0.6 h =0.75

23.7562 25 r= 0.6 h =0.75

28.5649 30 r= 0.6 h =0.75



13.5447 15 r =0.6 h =1.

18.2017 20 r =0.6 h =1.

20.0013 22 r =0.6 h =1.

22.6633 25 r =0.6 h =1.

27.3274 30 r =0.6 h =1.






12.8937 15 r =0.6 h =1.25

17.3593 20 r =0.6 h =1.25

19.0911 22 r =0.6 h =1.25

21.6599 25 r =0.6 h =1.25

26.1829 30 r =0.6 h =1.25





12.8937 15 r =0.6 h =1.5

17.3593 20 r =0.6 h =1.5

19.0911 22 r =0.6 h =1.5

21.6599 25 r =0.6 h =1.5

26.1829 30 r =0.6 h =1.5



11.7587 15 r =0.6 h =1.75

15.8798 20 r =0.6 h =1.75

17.4877 22 r =0.6 h =1.75

19.8836 25 r =0.6 h =1.75

24.1376 30 r =0.6 h =1.75




11.2613 15 r= 0.6 h =2.

15.2275 20 r= 0.6 h =2.

16.7787 22 r= 0.6 h =2.

19.0948 25 r= 0.6 h =2.

23.2216 30 r= 0.6 h =2.



the same tables for the shapton stones have r=0.8:



13.2112 15 r =0.8 h =0.25

18.6513 20 r =0.8 h =0.25

20.7288 22 r =0.8 h =0.25

23.7739 25 r =0.8 h =0.25

29.0233 30 r =0.8 h =0.25





12.4702 15 r =0.8 h =0.5

17.6558 20 r =0.8 h =0.5

19.6465 22 r =0.8 h =0.5

22.5759 25 r =0.8 h =0.5

27.6601 30 r =0.8 h =0.5



11.8054 15 r= 0.8 h =0.75

16.7559 20 r= 0.8 h =0.75

18.665 22 r= 0.8 h =0.75

21.4839 25 r= 0.8 h =0.75

26.4061 30 r= 0.8 h =0.75




11.2059 15 r =0.8 h =1.

15.939 20 r =0.8 h =1.

17.7715 22 r =0.8 h =1.

20.4855 25 r =0.8 h =1.

25.2501 30 r =0.8 h =1.




10.6629 15 r =0.8 h =1.25

15.1948 20 r =0.8 h =1.25

16.9554 22 r =0.8 h =1.25

19.5701 25 r =0.8 h =1.25

24.1823 30 r =0.8 h =1.25



10.6629 15 r =0.8 h =1.5

15.1948 20 r =0.8 h =1.5

16.9554 22 r =0.8 h =1.5

19.5701 25 r =0.8 h =1.5

24.1823 30 r =0.8 h =1.5




9.71766 15 r =0.8 h =1.75

13.89 20 r =0.8 h =1.75

15.5203 22 r =0.8 h =1.75

17.9523 25 r =0.8 h =1.75

22.2773 30 r =0.8 h =1.75




9.30401 15 r= 0.8 h =2.

13.3155 20 r= 0.8 h =2.

14.8866 22 r= 0.8 h =2.

17.2348 25 r= 0.8 h =2.

21.4254 30 r= 0.8 h =2.



For the gadget freaks consider using adjustable parallels to accurately set up the swing arms in a repeatable manner:
use calipers to repeatably set the adjustable paralles
to a precise width. Then use the adjustable parallel between the edge of the wicked edge base and the adjustable pivot.

A good usb microscpe is the ProScope HR2 withe the 30x lens.
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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #875

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I just cant do things right the first time. The tables for
h=1.5 should be as follows.

I suppose I have created enough confusion for now.



10.1689 15 r =0.8 h =1.5

14.5143 20 r =0.8 h =1.5

16.2076 22 r =0.8 h =1.5

18.7283 25 r =0.8 h =1.5

23.194 30 r =0.8 h =1.5



12.3008 15 r =0.6 h =1.5

16.5881 20 r =0.6 h =1.5

18.256 22 r =0.6 h =1.5

20.7362 25 r =0.6 h =1.5

25.1223 30 r =0.6 h =1.5
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Re: Chosera Angles versus Diamond Angles? 2 years 8 months ago #876

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Congratulations StJohn! It's not every day I glaze over! :silly: :silly: :silly:

I must not have enough spin on my propeller head hat today. :(

+1 on the angle cube. But not to be completely propeller-less ;) , one thing I have noticed is that you really do need to place the stone/arm in the same place on the knife when using the cube, otherwise there is variation in the reading, which is what stjohn's post relates to (hey, I said not enough spin, not no spin! B) )

One thing more to throw at you stjohn - I've been wondering of the variables on the Chosera and Shapton stones in regards to flipping the paddles. What I mean is that when you use a freshly flattened stone, say the 2K of a 2K/5K combo, you get an accurate reading because the stone is theoretically consistently flat. But when you flip that paddle over to use the 5K side, you arguably have a degree of dishing (although not anywhere big enough for regular non-propellerheads to care) which I think can change the reading.

Aside from lapping the 2K stone before flipping, is it me, or am I just OCD-ing this? :whistle: :unsure: :dry:
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