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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 2 years 9 months ago #606

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Nearly my questins exactly DS. I'm thinking that with a 2k/5k Shapton, you might be able to eliminate the ceramic stones all together and go straight to the leather strops? Any opinions on this... especially Tom at Jende...
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 2 years 9 months ago #608

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An introductory guide to the Shapton and Chosera WEPS stones can be found in the Guide to Using Wicked Edge Chosera and Shapton Stones. It covers the basics answers to these questions. I will expand further below, though. :)
dschur wrote:
I'm a little concerned about having to re-set the angle coming odd the ceramics due to the thicker stones (I imagine getting it exact is rather tricky and that is not the time to start reprofiling at 2000+ grit). Is there a reason they can't be the same thickness - do they wear or dish faster or are too brittle at that thickness?

The stone thickness was a topic of concern when we first started discussing the possibilities of Chosera and Shapton stones for the WEPS with Clay. Technically, one of the major influencing factors was that the Shapton and Chosera stones themselves are easily snapped in half as they get thinner. The aluminum blank was one way to increase their strength, and allow the full thickness of the stones to be used before they needed replacing.

More practically, using the Angle Cube with the screws positioned so they are on the side of the WEPS wings that DO NOT have drilled reference holes in them is the best way to account for the different angles caused by thicker stones.

In my opinion, using the angle cube is a necessity with all the plates, stones, and strops if you want the absolute precision you are asking for. There are slight differences between the paddles (nothing the beginner sharpener will notice, but I'm a propeller-head when it comes to using a guided sharpener... :blush: ) That slightest variation combined with the fact that the stones will wear over time, makes using the angle cube even more essential for long term repeatability. It really becomes second nature to use the angle cube, too.
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I am more interested in the Shaptons as I hear they run a bit cleaner (less slurry).

Shaptons pros work best when kept clean of swarf, and they are designed that way. Choseras also work fast when kept clean, but they can use their paste (formed by swarf and loose abrasive) to squeeze out a slightly finer/more polished finish than the advertised grit - and they are designed that way :)
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I will probably pick up one set to start when they are available and see how much further that takes my admittedly weak edges. Any idea what grit combos will be available or pricing yet? I'd be coming off the ceramics so a 2K/5K would seem pretty appealing to me.

If your coming off the WEPS ceramics, then a 2K -5K should be just about right. Pricing should be available publicly soon. This is Clay's department. :)
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 2 years 9 months ago #609

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The set I'm testing right now is to progress from the WEPS 1K plates, and is a 1k/2k Shapton pairing. After that, I'm going to go to a 5k/8k pair, I think. Then perhaps when I get around to winning the lotto, I'll buy a 15k/30k pair. :lol:
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 2 years 9 months ago #612

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jendeindustries wrote:
Thanks for all of the great info Tom, I haven't introduced using an angle cube into my wicked edge routine yet, I may have to start thinking about that. As for using the non-drilled sides of the guide rod, that's not a problem for me as I have a gen 1 (no sides are drilled). As it is though now with the non-drilled I have to really crank the thumbscrews to prevent movement which is why I like setting them once, and am a little hesitant to adjust mid stream.

I am looking forward to getting and trying the Shaptons. Hope to see them available soon. The idea of staying "on stone" down to 30K really appeals to my mind (but not my wallet :ohmy: )
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As it is though now with the non-drilled I have to really crank the thumbscrews to prevent movement which is why I like setting them once, and am a little hesitant to adjust mid stream.

Same here - I constantly check to see how tightly fastened those screws are. I check and double check! But really, if you're aware of it, you'll quickly become "trained" to tighten that screw well. :lol:
I am looking forward to getting and trying the Shaptons. Hope to see them available soon. The idea of staying "on stone" down to 30K really appeals to my mind (but not my wallet :ohmy: )

We've hit upon another arguing point, dschure: cost. It's always a factor, of course. The higher grit stones are investments.
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 2 years 9 months ago #619

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jendeindustries wrote:
As it is though now with the non-drilled I have to really crank the thumbscrews to prevent movement which is why I like setting them once, and am a little hesitant to adjust mid stream.

Same here - I constantly check to see how tightly fastened those screws are. I check and double check! But really, if you're aware of it, you'll quickly become "trained" to tighten that screw well. :lol:
I am looking forward to getting and trying the Shaptons. Hope to see them available soon. The idea of staying "on stone" down to 30K really appeals to my mind (but not my wallet :ohmy: )

We've hit upon another arguing point, dschure: cost. It's always a factor, of course. The higher grit stones are investments.

I hate to admit it, but I use a pair of pliers on the set screws. Nothing sucks worse than having a suspicion that they just shifted on you.

I won't argue cost, I realize that quality products reflect that in their price, otherwise I'd be using a Lansky. I also have learned the value of not buying things 2 or 3 times to get to what I really need :silly:

I will probably buy the Shaptons down past 8K in stages though *to hide it from the wife, hehe)

Dave
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