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TOPIC: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate

Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 3 weeks ago #617

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As it is though now with the non-drilled I have to really crank the thumbscrews to prevent movement which is why I like setting them once, and am a little hesitant to adjust mid stream.

Same here - I constantly check to see how tightly fastened those screws are. I check and double check! But really, if you're aware of it, you'll quickly become "trained" to tighten that screw well. :lol:
I am looking forward to getting and trying the Shaptons. Hope to see them available soon. The idea of staying "on stone" down to 30K really appeals to my mind (but not my wallet :ohmy: )

We've hit upon another arguing point, dschure: cost. It's always a factor, of course. The higher grit stones are investments.
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 3 weeks ago #619

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jendeindustries wrote:
As it is though now with the non-drilled I have to really crank the thumbscrews to prevent movement which is why I like setting them once, and am a little hesitant to adjust mid stream.

Same here - I constantly check to see how tightly fastened those screws are. I check and double check! But really, if you're aware of it, you'll quickly become "trained" to tighten that screw well. :lol:
I am looking forward to getting and trying the Shaptons. Hope to see them available soon. The idea of staying "on stone" down to 30K really appeals to my mind (but not my wallet :ohmy: )

We've hit upon another arguing point, dschure: cost. It's always a factor, of course. The higher grit stones are investments.

I hate to admit it, but I use a pair of pliers on the set screws. Nothing sucks worse than having a suspicion that they just shifted on you.

I won't argue cost, I realize that quality products reflect that in their price, otherwise I'd be using a Lansky. I also have learned the value of not buying things 2 or 3 times to get to what I really need :silly:

I will probably buy the Shaptons down past 8K in stages though *to hide it from the wife, hehe)

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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 3 weeks ago #620

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dschur wrote:
jendeindustries wrote:
As it is though now with the non-drilled I have to really crank the thumbscrews to prevent movement which is why I like setting them once, and am a little hesitant to adjust mid stream.

Same here - I constantly check to see how tightly fastened those screws are. I check and double check! But really, if you're aware of it, you'll quickly become "trained" to tighten that screw well. :lol:

I hate to admit it, but I use a pair of pliers on the set screws. Nothing sucks worse than having a suspicion that they just shifted on you.

I used to have that problem until I blue Loctite'd the screws. Even if you loosen them, the residual Loctite keeps them from unscrewing after retightening.
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 2 weeks ago #626

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Ok, I’ve been following this thread with interest. I’m still waiting for the fight to get dirty. ;) Come on now! This is a love fest so far! Which is really better, Chosera or Shapton? Or is it REALLY just Coke or Pepsi and it doesn’t matter? All I can gather is that the Choseras might be more refined (at a given grit) because of the additional slurry and the Shaptons are perhaps easier to use because they don’t need to soak. Any other differences of note?

Also, how are the Shaptons paired up on the other side of the WEPS blocks? For example, is the #1500 Shapton paired with the #1000 or the #2000?

Lastly, I don’t see the Shaptons on the WEPS site. Do we have pricing for the Shaptons yet? If not, do we have an idea that they will be about the same price as the Choseras, or will they be significantly more or less expensive? Are the Shaptons available now or do we have to wait?
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 2 weeks ago #635

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Great idea with the locktite, drmatt! :cheer:

Sal, right now the problem is that not enough people currently have either the Choseras or the Shaptons to weigh in. On other forums, you'll find that I am very much in favor of the Shaptons for the way I sharpen. However, there are others out there who feel every bit as much love for their Choseras. Which one is best? That's the eternal question... :)
Choseras might be more refined (at a given grit) because of the additional slurry and the Shaptons are perhaps easier to use because they don’t need to soak. Any other differences of note?

There is the grit factor - Shaptons go to 30K, and Choseras go to 10K. Feedback is another, lots of guys love the feedback of the Choseras, which varies more from stone to stone. Shaptons feel more consistent throughout, and have an overall harder feel to them. Both stone series are worthwhile investments, though. (IMO)
Also, how are the Shaptons paired up on the other side of the WEPS blocks? For example, is the #1500 Shapton paired with the #1000 or the #2000?

In the Shapton series, the 2K is complimented by the #320 and 1K Stones. The 5K works best with the 2K, but the 1500/5K is very versatile as well. The 1K Shapton is rated as a coarse/medium grit, and is a little more aggressive than other 1K stones. On a full sized stone, the 1K/5K jump is fine, but I generally don't recommend this jump for guided sharpening since the 5K takes a little longer to really clean up the 1K scratches - but it's not like the 1K/5K Shapton won't work, though.

Because of the diamond WEPS plates, a solid transition is the 1K/2K, then 5K/8K. A really solid 2-paddle solution would be a #220 or #320/1K and 2K/5K. The #220 is a little harder than the #320, and while it is a step back from the 600 WEPS diamond, they both leave a wonderful surface to work with.

For most knives, a 5K edge is already another universe, but if you intend to go to 8K or 15K, you really do need the 5K, and if you are going to 30K, you really do need the 15K.

I could continue all day with possible combos.... I hope this helped for now... :blink:
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 2 weeks ago #638

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What if we were coming off of the ceramics? Our would it be best to come off the 800/1k WEPS Paddles? I am asking because I have a pro pack on the way and I am looking to possibly compliment it with the ceramics, or possibly some Choceras or Shaptons. I don't really have a knife that can take a 30k edge right now so I'm not at this time looking ast going that high in the spectrum.
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 2 weeks ago #642

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drmatt357 wrote:
dschur wrote:
jendeindustries wrote:
As it is though now with the non-drilled I have to really crank the thumbscrews to prevent movement which is why I like setting them once, and am a little hesitant to adjust mid stream.

Same here - I constantly check to see how tightly fastened those screws are. I check and double check! But really, if you're aware of it, you'll quickly become "trained" to tighten that screw well. :lol:

I hate to admit it, but I use a pair of pliers on the set screws. Nothing sucks worse than having a suspicion that they just shifted on you.

I used to have that problem until I blue Loctite'd the screws. Even if you loosen them, the residual Loctite keeps them from unscrewing after retightening.

The Blue Loctite sounded great to me so I did a little digging and found there is a Purple Loctite that is meant specifically for holding set-screws and the like...and the screws are not frozen too tightly that you need tools to loosen them .
Has anyone else heard of this stuff. It is not as common as Blue Loctite.

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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 2 weeks ago #643

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Yeah, we used it at my old job when we were assembling the instrument panels of ultralight aircraft, for places we couldn't use self-locking nuts. I also use it on adjustment screws in firearm trigger groups, things that I definitely do NOT want moving, but need to be able to adjust. You're looking for Loctite 222 or 222MS.
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 2 weeks ago #644

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Ah! That's why I like this forum! Thanks Leo and komitadjie. We must search for this mysterious purple compound. Amazon has it. :)
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Re: Shapton vs. Chosera WEPS Stones - The Great Debate 3 years 2 weeks ago #645

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Salguod wrote:
Ah! That's why I like this forum! Thanks Leo and komitadjie. We must search for this mysterious purple compound. Amazon has it. :)

Yes they do but they were going to charge me $25.00 US to ship me at less than $7.00 tube of it. I shall have to get someone Stateside to buy some for me and ship it at a normal price.

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