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Re:My first week with the WEPS 1 day 2 hours ago #18241

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What I'd like to do is mount a knife in the vise sometime this week, start with the 50 grit stone and set it to an arbitrary angle such as 20 degrees. Then I'm going to record what each angle reads as I move up through the stones. No actual sharpening, just checking the angles on the stones. I'll post my findings, and see what you guys think. Just by looking at them, the plates on the 800/1000 grit stones look thinner than the rest so what you're saying makes sense.

I mark my stones on each end. One is 1A/1B and the other is 2A/2B. Each time I sharpen I rotate them end to end and left side to right side to make sure the whole stone is getting used. I picked this tip up off the forum here. I'll note which stone yielded which reading in my findings. It looks like even if I wanted to use the swat jigs, I'd have to upgrade the arms and sigh, that's another $200 invested.

Before you do what you suggest above I would take a caliper, as Tom suggested, and make sure that your stones are mounted parallel to each other... otherwise your readings with the angle cube will be off.

Also, when it comes to the SWAT Clay has confirmed that they are designed to work with the old arms or the new... so you don't have to make a $200 investment to do that =)

If you want to check them out I can send you mine to borrow so you can see if you like them or not... just let me know via pm, I won't miss them too much =)

Thanks for the kind gesture, Josh! But like in Tom's detailed post showing how the SWATs are used, without the micro adjustment with the old arms, will they be as accurate?

absolutely!! just flip your base bar around... I did this anyway on the old arms and ground off all the markings. This way I solely used the angle cube and I had all the micro adjustment I could ever want! =)
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Re:My first week with the WEPS 1 day 2 hours ago #18244

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razoredgeknives wrote:
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What I'd like to do is mount a knife in the vise sometime this week, start with the 50 grit stone and set it to an arbitrary angle such as 20 degrees. Then I'm going to record what each angle reads as I move up through the stones. No actual sharpening, just checking the angles on the stones. I'll post my findings, and see what you guys think. Just by looking at them, the plates on the 800/1000 grit stones look thinner than the rest so what you're saying makes sense.

I mark my stones on each end. One is 1A/1B and the other is 2A/2B. Each time I sharpen I rotate them end to end and left side to right side to make sure the whole stone is getting used. I picked this tip up off the forum here. I'll note which stone yielded which reading in my findings. It looks like even if I wanted to use the swat jigs, I'd have to upgrade the arms and sigh, that's another $200 invested.

Before you do what you suggest above I would take a caliper, as Tom suggested, and make sure that your stones are mounted parallel to each other... otherwise your readings with the angle cube will be off.

Also, when it comes to the SWAT Clay has confirmed that they are designed to work with the old arms or the new... so you don't have to make a $200 investment to do that =)

If you want to check them out I can send you mine to borrow so you can see if you like them or not... just let me know via pm, I won't miss them too much =)

Thanks for the kind gesture, Josh! But like in Tom's detailed post showing how the SWATs are used, without the micro adjustment with the old arms, will they be as accurate?

absolutely!! just flip your base bar around... I did this anyway on the old arms and ground off all the markings. This way I solely used the angle cube and I had all the micro adjustment I could ever want! =)

Oh ok, that's what I was thinking. I forgot that you don't have to loosen the main screw with the new arms, just use the micro screw for something like this. I already have my base bar turned backwards. I think that's the first prerequisite to OCDness when using this system is to turn the bar backwards and get an angle cube. :)

Sent you a PM, Josh. I got an error after I hit send so let me know if you didn't get it.
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Re:My first week with the WEPS 1 day 1 hour ago #18249

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I got one from you and sent you two back... send me an email razoredgeknives at gmail.com, i lost your email
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Re:My first week with the WEPS 12 hours 50 minutes ago #18259

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I want to make it clear, that when using the VSTA's, I only use the AngleCube to set the initial angle. After that I just sit back and watch the scratch pattern fall almost exactly where they're supposed to.

Next knife, I'll follow the same VSTA sequence, but will measure the stone angles to record variability.

If you're going to use the VSTA's with the base rod mounts (w/o microadjusts), I would agree with Josh - turn the angle bar around. But I'd suggest changing the locking screws to a flat point and use some kind of Allen wrench. If you don't make these changes, the pointed set screw will jump to the nearest detent pocket and throw off your setting accuracy big-time. If the locking screw isn't pretty flat, tightening it against the bar might also throw off your position. I really like the quick-release lever design.
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Re:My first week with the WEPS 6 hours 49 minutes ago #18260

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I want to make it clear, that when using the VSTA's, I only use the AngleCube to set the initial angle. After that I just sit back and watch the scratch pattern fall almost exactly where they're supposed to.

Next knife, I'll follow the same VSTA sequence, but will measure the stone angles to record variability.

If you're going to use the VSTA's with the base rod mounts (w/o microadjusts), I would agree with Josh - turn the angle bar around. But I'd suggest changing the locking screws to a flat point and use some kind of Allen wrench. If you don't make these changes, the pointed set screw will jump to the nearest detent pocket and throw off your setting accuracy big-time. If the locking screw isn't pretty flat, tightening it against the bar might also throw off your position. I really like the quick-release lever design.

Could you tell me the threads of the original screws? I'd like to find some replacements that are flat and also maybe allen head for better tightening. What is the quick-release lever design? Similar to a QR design on rifle scope rings?
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Re:My first week with the WEPS 3 hours 27 minutes ago #18262

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The threads on the clamping screws are 10-32.

I bought my hardware from McMaster.com:

I used the 6522K28 Type 303 Stainless Steel Adjustable Handle, 10-32 Thread, 1-3/16" L Stud, 1-9/16" L Handle.

As a thumbwheel for rapid turning, I used their 6479K52 Phenolic Fluted-rim Knob, 10-32 Threaded Insert, 7/8" Diameter

The knobs were a little too big in diameter, so I ground them down on a sanding belt until the turned easily. I locked them into place on the long screw with 10-32 nuts. You might be able to find a better knob - this was the only one I could find in 10-32 and I had to drill the hole all the way thru for it to work. Ask Voodoodaddy for his solution. It looks better than mine.

By the way, the threads aren't cut deep enough on my sample and one has stripped out, forcing me to drill and tap a new hole. If you don't want to drill and tap, take it easy on the locking force.
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