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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 4 months ago #2638

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On to the 10k Choseras:

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10k Choseras - 100 strokes The edge is interesting here...

From the 10k stones, I went on to the strops, first the 1 micron Diamond on Balsa strops:

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1um Diamond on Balsa Strops - 100 strokes

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.5um Diamond on Balsa Strops - 100 strokes
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 4 months ago #2639

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On to the small stuff, it gets weird from here...

25umDiamondonHorsebutt-100strokes.jpg

.25um CBN on Horsebutt (Split) - 100 strokes

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.125um CBN on Horsebutt (Split) - 100 strokes

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.125um CBN on Horsebutt (Top) - 100 Strokes

more to come....
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 4 months ago #2640

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Continuing weirdness:

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Plain Horsebutt Leather (Top) - 100 strokes

5umDiamondonCowLeatherTop-100strokes.jpg

.5um Diamond on Cow Leather (Top) - 100 strokes
I wish I'd cleaned the blade for this photo....

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Plain Cow Leather (Top) - 100 strokes

and finally

125umCBNonCowLeatherTop-100strokes.jpg

.125um CBN on Cow Leather (Top) - 100 strokes
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 4 months ago #2641

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Interesting...
First, thanks Clay for all of this! it is real nice to be able to see what is happening with these progressions.

The 10K Chosera edge is interesting because it seems to be non-uniform or maybe a bit uneven.Not sure how to describe it. Curious, so far I have liked the edge that this stone leaves. Though I must say that I have almost always gone to the leather strops at 1 micron diamond and .5 micron CBN after the 10K.

It it my imagination or is the 1 micron diamond bevel showing fewer scratches than the 0.5 micron bevel.
At this magnification it seems hard to tell which "edge of the edge" is better, but I am leaning towards the 1 micron edge.

I wish that I could get photos that are even close to the quality that you obtain.

What do others think?

Phil

BTW, just saw the last photos. It looks like the horse butt is some abrasive stuff. Interesting that there are all kinds of stories out there on the razor forums about how superior it is to other stropping media!
Phil

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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 4 months ago #2642

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For each stage in the latest progression, I repeated the same tests - hanging hair test (HHT) and copy paper push cut (CPPC). Below are the results, in order of the progressions:
MediumHHTCPPC
1600# CeramicFailPass, slight fraying of the edges
5k ChoseraFailPass, slight fraying of the edges
10k ChoseraFailPass, very smooth cut
1um Diamond on BalsaFailPass, very smooth cut
.5um Diamond on BalsaFailPass, very smooth cut
.25um Diamond on Horsebutt (Split)FailPass, very smooth cut
.125um Diamond on Horsebutt (Split)FailPass, very smooth cut
Plain Horsebutt (Top)PassPass, very smooth cut
.5um Diamond on Cow Leather (Top)PassPass, very smooth cut
Plain Cow Leather (Top)PassPass, very smooth cut
.125um CBN on Cow Leather (Top)PassPass, very smooth cut
I was surprised by these results, especially how well the plain top leather, both cow and horsebutt did with the hanging hair test, even more so considering the difference in scratches.

What I think I've learned so far from this exercise (and from regular usage) is that there is a lot to be said for the common (on this forum anyway) wisdom about applying different finishes for different usages e.g. the super smooth finishes that we get from the strops are not ideal for when I'm butchering meat, specifically all the very fine work of trimming silverskin and connective tissue - for that, a finish of 3k or 5k really works the best. Clearly if I want to cut hanging hairs, I need to finish with plain leather. It's almost mind boggling (but loads of fun!)

I'm a little concerned about the 10k image and I'll need to redo that one to rule out poor technique and/or surface contaminants. I'll wash the stones well and give it another run, starting with a super smooth finish.
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Re: A theory of how the WE diamond pastes work 2 years 4 months ago #2643

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Wooh! That is a great series. And cutting tests as well.

That 1 micron diamond paste after the 10K Choseras makes a smooth edge…

And then it is weird that the .5 micron paste seems to make scratches again.

The results with split horse leather are strange. The .25 micron stuff on split horse leather seems to make even wider scratches than the .5 micron stuff. But then the .125 stuff seems to smoothen the edge again… Could it be the lighting? Or contamination?

What strikes me is that the .125 scratches seem much more apparent after the top horse leather than after the split horse leather. But after the cow leather they are hardly visible. Lighting? Or are we running into the limitations of the microscope?

Your post does seem to show that the smoothest edge is not necessarily the sharpest (also not for push cutting or the HHT). Or do I interpret things wrongly?

I’d be interested to see what that plain top horse butt leather does to a completely clean edge, compared to plain top cow leather. Some straight razor honers like top horse leather because it apparently has silicates in it already by itself. And your first HHT pass was after the top horse leather.
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