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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6327

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If you understand the history, you better understand the naming conundrum that Clay went through.
For a few years there was nothing finer than the superfine ceramics, other than strops and much later the waterstones.

When Clay got the micron rated ceramics (from a different vendor, as he was struggling with the maker of the superfines) they were equivalent to a finer grit... Now what do you do? Change the naming of a line that has been in existence for a good while, and you hope to get back at some point (?) or figure out a new name for the finer stones??

Clay asked for suggestions, and many were made. He chose microfine. It is what it is, I think. The description of the stones is clear on the web page.

Then we have the question of how you assign a name that will be interpreted the same by everyone..
Good luck with that!


Hmmmm.
I say, read the description, search the forums, and make a decision.
All of the second guessing is pretty moot at this point.
Just my thoughts...
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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6329

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For what it's worth, I do like it and I am happy I chose to get it.
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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6332

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I am still on the fence.

I will get a PP or PPII. If I get the PP then I will also get the arms upgrade. I don't really care about what base comes with it. I will be getting various strops and pastes, so the difference there doesn't matter either.

The main hanging point is to get either super fine + micro ceramics or 2-3 sets of Chosera's. I know the Chosera's are slightly more expensive but this is not an deciding factor. But I do not want to buy both ceramics and choseras.

Most of my sharpening is Benchmade folders, s30v, CPM-M4, and 154 cm. I want to achieve polished edges to the nake eye on knives that are mostly users. I am leaning towards the chosera's based on positive comments about feel and feedback as well as how they polish.

If I can slice/push cut phone book paper like a ninja I am happy. I would like to whittle hair one day, but I don't see taking every edge to that level.

If anyone has both please give you opinion. Or if you only have one I would like your opinion too. :)
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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6335

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Did you happen to read this thread?
www.wickededgeusa.com/index.php?option=c...=2&id=6097&Itemid=63

If so you got my take on it. I recenly ordered the superfine and microfine stones to play with. I have not recieved them as of yet, so I can't make a direct comparison. I can tell you that from my perspective as of now, I would not be without my Choseras... period. If you can swing it, get the 800/1000, 2000/3000 and 5K/10K stones to use after the 1000 diamonds. If you really want to spend some cash and as you said the cost is not important to you, get the 400/600 stones as well. They make quick work of the diamond scratches and set up a great transition to the 800 or 1000 stones.
Check the links that I posted to Tom's blog. He explains it all much better than I could...or have the time to do here.

Phil

BTW. If you wait a couple of weeks for me to get the WEPS ceramics and do some sharpening with them... I will have some direct comparison impressions. You will notice that Scott asked this question...then I asked for anyone out there with the waterstones to chime in. We got two replies.
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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6361

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Phil,

Thanks for the reply and link back. This helps. i think I will go with choseras. The incremental cost is not too much. :)
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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6365

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I will once again jump in with yet another opinion (as if you didn't think I would). :lol:

This afternoon I started sharpening my favorite knife. A Grayman, Satu which is S30v steel. This knife comes with a very unsophisticated edge at about 22 degrees. I reprofiled it to 18 degrees with my 50- 80 grit stones which really grind the steel and leave a very, very rough scratchy surface, like a rasp file. So this was a real test. Long story short, I worked through the normal progression of stones 100> 200>400>600>800>1000. I used about 3x's as many strokes as before and almost feather touch pressure. I began to see the scratches from each previous stone smoothing out more than ever before, but the 1000 still left a mostly non glossy finish although the scratch pattern was quite fine. The next stone I used was the 1200 super ceramic. I used it dry and again nearly feather touch pressure and many, many more strokes than before. Something new happened this time. Compared to each of the two previous knives I sharpened using the super fine and all the other stones in the normal progression, this time, a very glossy, reflective mirror surface began to emerge with the 1200. It was more glossy than I got after using my micro fine and several pastes and leathers, including my kangaroo with no added grit. I was more than shocked at how nice my Satu was looking. I went to the 1600 and it became even glossier. Beyond anything I have gotten to date even with all my best polishing stuff.

Up to now, I would have been totally happy if this were the final result and I like a mirror finish as you know from all my posts. I am now prepared to say unequivocally and without reservation, that the super fine, 1200-1600 is a great stone set and will easily get you to as shiny, glossy and reflective a finish when used in the total progression to leather and pastes as the limits of your metal will allow. I had to end at the 1600 stone because my wife gave me an ultimatum and I had to go.i still need to move to the micro and beyond, and must say I am enthusiastic and can't wait to see the final result. I'll try to take a picture for you, but take my word for now. It is coming along great.

So I will not (and would not) tell anyone what to buy or use, but I was going to buy the Chosera's because I did not think the super fine was as good as the Chosera's. But I am a convert and now know from my own experience that this is a very capable stone set which is for me indispensable.

I am done buying stones for now. I think I have arrived at where I wanted to be when I first began. :woohoo:
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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6368

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Scott Sherman wrote:
I will once again jump in with yet another opinion (as if you didn't think I would). :lol:

I am now prepared to say unequivocally and without reservation, that the super fine, 1200-1600 is a great stone set and will easily get you to as shiny, glossy and reflective a finish when used in the total progression to leather and pastes as the limits of your metal will allow.
So I will not (and would not) tell anyone what to buy or use, but I was going to buy the Chosera's because I did not think the super fine was as good as the Chosera's. But I am a convert and now know from my own experience that this is a very capable stone set which is for me indispensable.

I am done buying stones for now. I think I have arrived at where I wanted to be when I first began. :woohoo:


Glad you are happy, really! I like reading your posts. It sounds like you are moving towards getting the results that make you pleased with your efforts.

I would never argue with your vast experience, but I can share mine...

As long as there is a different way, and maybe a better way (faster, finer, shinier) never say you are done...
Those are like famous last words before disappearing down the rabbit hole... Believe me.
I would also be cautious about making unequivocal recommendations based upon one sharpening session with one knife...with nothing to compare to.

Don't mean to dampen your enthusiasm... really ! Just trying to be objective.

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Re: my opinion of the super fine after 3 days with it. 1 year 9 months ago #6369

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PhilipPasteur wrote:
I would never argue with your vast experience, but I can share mine...

My experience is anything but vast :unsure:

As long as there is a different way, and maybe a better way (faster, finer, shinier) never say you are done...
Those are like famous last words before disappearing down the rabbit hole... Believe me.
I would also be cautious about making unequivocal recommendations based upon one sharpening session with one knife...with nothing to compare to.

Both are fair points and I can not argue with anything in this post. I may have misstated, I didn't mean to offer this experience as much to say I recommend it as to just share what I would characterize as a discovery on my part. I was not 100% loving the super fine stones as I mentioned. They were not exactly what I thought they would be when I ordered them and felt them for the first time especially next to the other stones I have. But this admittedly anecdotal experience has left me much more enthusiastic for their potential, even if I can't duplicate this result in my next knife. It has certainly shown me that at least so far, my lack of success has been more my fault than that of the equipment. So I thought I might share. Your milage may vary. I only want to be helpful. I am not trying to sell WE stuff for Clay, but credit should be given when it is due.

Don't mean to dampen your enthusiasm... really ! Just trying to be objective.

I don't doubt it.

Phil
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