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Re: philip's hunt shows factory edge at 20* 1 year 4 months ago #11702

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Angles sound good to me.

If you can do it without reclamping... that's what I would do. Since it's just a straight edge, you can clamp it vertically in whatever position works best (middle?).
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11707

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I have all week to work on it - will return it to him next sat. at the fare.....maybe like trade for yet another skinner he has - only guessing.

i think i will give it a try on the micro, B U T is there a rule of thumb on higher after first sharpening???.......meaning if i complete at 17* where do i go from there? or say 18* - or does it make all that much difference?

say 18* and then 21* or 22*

Any "rules of thumb" have to be based on the type of steel as well as the intended use.
With that steel, I might use 20 degrees and leave it at that. Again.. talk to him. If he is not happy, it will only take minutes to chuck it up and ad a bit of tooth at maybe 21 or 22 degrees.
My concern is that any kind of micro bevel you will add just will not last long... From what I read... edge retention is not all that great on the X50 steel. Leave as much meat behind the edge as you can..
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11711

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Question here.

If one has a primary bevel at say 20/side, and makes a micro bevel at say 22/side. . . . When the 22 bevel becomes dull, does the
20 bevel shine thru?

Hope this makes sense
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11752

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i just finished it up moments ago......for the night.

some strop work in the morning.....she is bad to the bone right now.

when with factory edge of 20*...... :whistel:

depth key atF was dead on....stand by
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B A D.....:ohmy: 1 year 4 months ago #11756

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here is a short video on a few knives i sharpened monday and did some timing on.

at the end is the finished up Victorinox 11" skinner.

video is like: 8 mins
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11757

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Mikedoh wrote:
Question here.

If one has a primary bevel at say 20/side, and makes a micro bevel at say 22/side. . . . When the 22 bevel becomes dull, does the
20 bevel shine thru?

Hope this makes sense

No (if I understand your question), the sharpness is based on the 22 deg. edge, once it dulls, it would need to be touched up.

Knives in the video look good! I'll admit the fix you made to the chipped knife gave me pause... I don't grind out just the damage like that... I'll work the whole edge to sharpen out damage.

How long did the skinner take?
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11758

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cbwx34 wrote:
Mikedoh wrote:
Question here.

If one has a primary bevel at say 20/side, and makes a micro bevel at say 22/side. . . . When the 22 bevel becomes dull, does the
20 bevel shine thru?

Hope this makes sense

No (if I understand your question), the sharpness is based on the 22 deg. edge, once it dulls, it would need to be touched up.

Knives in the video look good! I'll admit the fix you made to the chipped knife gave me pause... I don't grind out just the damage like that... I'll work the whole edge to sharpen out damage.

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total time on skinner - 55 mins........i guess the steel was not all that great, sharpened up pretty fast....30 mins of the time was stropping.

pause did you :)

i presume with that grade of S/S it will need sharpening again soon with any use.

it will serve him fine for a spell. i will tell him to buy a leather strop - i likem.
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11760

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Max Thank you for taking the time to post your hard work! There is really some great lessons for me to learn from you! Normally I could not let the knife with the small glitch go? Also I would STILL be grinding away on the badly gouged knife :sick: I need to take lessons from you and relax my style some (or lack of) and actually give them their monies worth in reverse. I think in my case I can't let the OCD thing go? :unsure:
Clay also mentioned it and I need to really take it to heart and learn how to sharpen using the higher grits only. Please keep posting as I'm learning a lot from you and I get a kick out of you as well :cheer:
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11766

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EamonMcGowan wrote:
I think in my case I can't let the OCD thing go? :unsure:

I hear you on this... that's why I think just setting up a simple standard process, (especially if you're in a position where volume matters), with as few steps as possible, might be the way to go.

Like others have said, you'll probably hand them back a knife better than they've ever seen to begin with.
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Re: Today at the farmers fare i got over 20 knives. 1 year 4 months ago #11768

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Agreed!
With a few small caveats...

I still say for volume, get a belt grinder and a good selection of belts. NOT because it does as good a job as the WEPS, but it does a very good job (if the operator does their part) and it is very, very fast.

I get reactions along the lines of... "my knives have never been this sharp"...

I like the idea that I can also offer more. If someone wants a mirror polish and sub-micron edge refinement, I will give it to them. But, they will pay more than $8.00 for it.. much more.

I also like the idea of being able to work with regular customers to develop an edge that will suit their needs better than the "mass produced" one. Again, more time = more money though.

These last two are where the WEPS really shines...:cheer:
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