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Fitting My Shapton Pro's to WEPS 1 year 4 months ago #11044

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Hey guys

I just ordered a WEPS /w angle finder PPII upgrade and two extra handles!

Previously, I have been using three Shapton Pro ceramic stones in 1k 2k and 5k and lapping them with a DMT D8X.

My hope is to abrasive water jet cut these stones down to size and mount them onto the extra handles I purchased.
I know a shop in town that has an OMAX 80160 and doesn't charge me much to run it , but am wayyyyyyyyy too cashed out to be buying anything else.

That being said...
1. Has anyone done this before
2. Any recommendations?
3. What are the exact dimensions I should be cutting the stones too.

Also, I know there have been some issues keeping stones mounted to the handles. I'm hoping the handles will ship with the new tape from 3M that has been discussed, but if not can anyone recommend a proper alternative solution?

I will photo document this process, your comments are appreciated!
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Re: Fitting My Shapton Pro's to WEPS 1 year 4 months ago #11045

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Welcome to the forum!

I believe Tom and Ken are the guys cutting stones for the Wicked Edge (I linked to their profiles)... They're not always on here, so you might consider sending them a PM, which should also go to their email. They should at least be able to tell you any issues to be aware of.

Good luck! Keep us posted! :woohoo:

p.s. That your work in your avatar (I'm assuming?) Feel free to post some pics... Looks pretty cool!
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Re: Fitting My Shapton Pro's to WEPS 1 year 4 months ago #11050

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Hey TekMiami,

Welcome!

I completely agree with Curtis. Just ask Ken or Tom nicely. They are the experts. Obviously they have a commercial interest in this sort of information, but I know them personally as very nice people.

I also find your photograph very intriguing. Interested in follow-ups!
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Re: Fitting My Shapton Pro's to WEPS 1 year 4 months ago #11052

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Thanks guys, I fired off a PM to Jende. Next time the fever bites I'm sure another set of handles and his 8k and 15k cut shaptons will be arriving at my doorstep shortly after lol, though I immagine its going to take some time for my finances to recover (I also just acquired a Takeda Banno Bunka AS 170mm.. WHOOPS) What? I needed something to shave with lmao

As far as the water jet goes... It's not going to not cut through the stones (lol) If anything, I'm only worried that the process might crack stones as they sheer free from one another. I noticed Tom mounts his to an aluminum plate, Im wondering if this is before hand to prevent such disasters, or just a precaution to keep them flat throughout their life; although I didn't think ceramic stones had problems bowing. I have zero commercial intrest in producing more stones, i just would HATE to have to invest $400 in the same stones, rather than advancing my kit.

The picture was taking a while ago during a Garde Manger course at JWU North Miami. I'm decent enough with a moderately sharp knife, I can't wait to see what the WEPS will unlock.

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Re: Fitting My Shapton Pro's to WEPS 1 year 4 months ago #11054

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Ah! Now I can finally see what that small picture depicts. Amazing job. Beautiful! Is it a dog? That is my imagination... This is why I love art. If you say they WEPS might unlock more, I am more than curious.
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Re: Fitting My Shapton Pro's to WEPS 1 year 4 months ago #11058

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I'm pretty sure its a horse ;) lol

As far as the unlocking comment. I had just gotten my Kikuichi 270 gyuto and the shitty paring knife wasn't cutting it (literally), so i walked the big ass knife around the watermelon with two hands. I never was really able to get the edge I know that steel should hold with my shapton (lack of experience, technique time etc). I'm hoping the WEPS will achieve this for me.
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Ah! A fellow Japanese kitchen knife lover. I am currently in the process of deciding on a 240/270 mm workhorse knife. Which type and steel of Kikuichi do you have? If you cut a melon with it, this sounds like a workhorse knife. How does it cut onions and tomatoes? (Obviously I want my workhorse knife to cut almost like a laser. ;) )

And... with a WEPS and Shaptons you've definitely got the best tools to get it sharp.
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My mistake its actually a 240 of the TKC line.

Its a great knife.
For working in a kitchen prefer I smaller blades, thats why i actually just ordered a 170mm. One day when i have a really big kitchen lol i might consider switchin to footlongs.
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Re: Fitting My Shapton Pro's to WEPS 1 year 4 months ago #11109

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You could do something like this. It is Not my idea, but something Steve Pinson was doing.
The stones are cut 1 inch wide and 5.75 long. Glued to aluminum strip (that I lapped), 1/2" U channel attached to that, aluminum tubing with bushings to fit the 0.25" rods. They work pretty well, actually very well. It gives you more stone surface to play with. I got some 3K, and 5K Choseras from him and a set of 2K (green brick of joy" stones. I mounted them like this, though you could remove the ridges from the stock platens and do the same sort of thing. Actually the stock paddle mod would end up being close to the same cost, or cheaper. Once you buy the material though, you can have enough to make several sets.

I wish that I could have gotten to him while he still had the 10K Choseras. I did get some 10K and 12 Superstones, and 5K and 15K Shaptons. They were mounted to the stock handles, but about twice as thick as they were being cut elsewhere.

BTW, this is Steve's Picture. The one handle is complete less affixing the tube in the U channel. The others had been cut and mounted to the aluminum strip, waiting for the U channel and tube to be attached.I will see if I can take a few photos of the completed ones that I have tomorrow.

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TekMiami wrote:
Hey guys

I just ordered a WEPS /w angle finder PPII upgrade and two extra handles!

Previously, I have been using three Shapton Pro ceramic stones in 1k 2k and 5k and lapping them with a DMT D8X.

My hope is to abrasive water jet cut these stones down to size and mount them onto the extra handles I purchased.
I know a shop in town that has an OMAX 80160 and doesn't charge me much to run it , but am wayyyyyyyyy too cashed out to be buying anything else.

That being said...
1. Has anyone done this before
2. Any recommendations?
3. What are the exact dimensions I should be cutting the stones too.

Also, I know there have been some issues keeping stones mounted to the handles. I'm hoping the handles will ship with the new tape from 3M that has been discussed, but if not can anyone recommend a proper alternative solution?

I will photo document this process, your comments are appreciated!

You could do something like this:

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Jeez back in the day I had access to a machine shop and could easily of spot welded something like that together in a second, but i've already got the extra stock handles and without a tig welder thats three times the adhesive bonds. Looks great though, im curious to know what adhesives others have been using!

Everyone mounting to aluminum backing!? Is there a particular reason for this? AWJ leaves a perfectly clean edge when it cuts, so it should fit square into the ridges, im worried if i try to sand them down i will un-parallel the stones from the axis of the rod.

The system should arrive sometime in the next 7 hours. I was planning on going to cut the stones today so i can get the glue curing asap, but im not sure what the exact dimensions between the ridges are!? can someone help me out!? (Edit: With a caliper lol)
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